It's sad that you're so stupid.

Nice rebuttal to my claim.

Wow, what a sad human being you are. You really have no understanding of feminism or what being pro-choice is at all, do you? Casey Anthony is a murderer. No one, least of all feminists and pro-choice activists, want a child to be murdered. Pro-choice a woman's choice about her own body. Pro-choice is about pro-family. Every child should be wanted.

If Casey did kill her daughter it was because she was not wanted. The location is meaningless. The girl is still dependent on her mother. Letting mothers kill their children is "pro-family"? Talk about twisted logic and ethics. Feminist arguments about personhood and the identity collapse when taken to their conclusion. Infanticide is justified according to pro-choice arguments and the length of time one can morally still kill their children is debatable among the Left.

Why the hell would feminists waste time on Casey Anthony when there's plenty of focus on people like James Larry, Deandre Minkens, Eric Gilford, Matthew Magdzas, Dan Allen Andrews, Michael Alan McDougall and more famously Scott Peterson, Mark Hacking, and Rae Carruth? The first six people were more recent than Casey Anthony. What do they have in common? They are all men, and all their murder victims were pregnant wives and girlfriends. Pregnant women are even more at risk for domestic violence and homicide. Forget about using a woman to justify abortion. You guys already did that by your actions.

Feminism is doing a hell of a job in destroying families and lives all over and getting away with it. Women who unilaterally commit infanticide are feminist heroines. If they are not heroines, they are victims of abussive men, such as their fathers, brothers, husbands or boyfriends. Either way, the underlying belief of feminism is that women are always pure and incapable of hatred or intentionally doing any harm to other people, whilst men are pure evil. Feminists will say that Casey Anthony was a loving mother, an angel who just liked to enjoy her life until her evil father, George, molested her and helped drowning his granddaughter, Caylee. And that is what Jose Baez presented to a jury composed of 7 pure women and 5 evil men. In a time when feminism is the dominant ideology in a society, such an argument comes out victorious.

I was thinking something along those lines in recent weeks, but with a different outcome. Had Anthony just had an abortion, none of this would've happened. If the pro legal abortion crowd was consistent, they'd agree with this, even if they are hurt by Caylee's death. Casey Anthony was young, without a job, living off her parents, recklessly irresponsible and incredibly selfish. If ever a person fit the "not ready for motherhood" description, it was her. But I doubt we'll ever hear that Casey should've just had an abortion.

Thus, Casey Anthony is probably an anti-feminist hero because she took her baby to term despite being unfit to raise it. That normally doesn't go over well with the feminists, in theory.

How is this like abortion? Seriously, like ever other women hating anti-choice person, you are a true moron. Women like this are the reason why abortion needs to be legal and readily available, so they don't have to have unwanted children. This is a woman who should've aborted, not give birth or tried to parent.

The argument he's making is that abortion IS killing unwanted children. If you believe that life begins at conception then there is no moral difference between killing that life in or outside the womb.

This post is closer to the mark than most readers want to know. In "Feminism Unmodified" (1987), Catherine MacKinnon stated that women would not be truly equal until they had the right to kill. She was speaking, specifically, of killing abusive men. But the comment applies equally to the issue of abortion, another sacred task in MacKinnonspeak. Since then, Princeton's Peter Singer has floated the notion that parents should be permitted to kill a child within a year of birth–a post-partum abortion, so to speak. (Look up Wesley J. Smith's essays on Peter Singer.) Life-unworthy-of-life is a concept that is ever so slowly winning the day.

"The location is meaningless."

Apparently you've never heard the phrase: Location is everything.

Women have bodily autonomy rights, just as men have bodily autonomy rights. In layman's terms: you are in control of what goes in, on, or is removed from your body. And no person has a right to use your body–for sex, for life support, etc–without your express and ongoing consent.

Men and women both have the right to use lethal force, if necessary/the only reasonable force available, to make a violation on their body *stop* – to protect your bodily autonomy. (And no bodily autonomy is not and doesn't apply to your resources [food, stuff, house, tv] nor your energy [physical labor/working for a living, etc.])

And this applies to born persons as well as fetuses. I can't use your body against your will; you can't use mine against my will. Neither can a fetus. (And of course, embryos and fetuses are not, at this point recognized as legal entities – persons – so this is an unecessary argument at this time. Should they ever be recognized as persons – which will create quite a legal clusterfuck – the bodily autonomy argument will still apply.) http://www.abortionaccess.info/fetusperson.htm

Killing a 2 year old, or a 10 year old, or a 20 year old, who is in no way violating your autonomy is not comparable to abortion.

If you have a grasp on reality.

"If you believe that life begins at conception"

If you believe that, then God/Nature is the biggest killer of them all, considering most fertilized eggs (what conception means) never implant (when pregnancy begins).

(You would also be technically incorrect. Life exists before conception occurs, in egg and sperm. Now the building blocks/base for a person to eventually be created are certainly laid when egg and sperm meet, but it's still a crap-shoot as to whether or not a person will come from that joining [see previous mention of most fertilized eggs not implanting].)

People would tend agree that causing the harm of another individual is just reason to limit their bodily autonomy and clearly abortion is such a case. Taking a direct action that causes a heartbeat to stop and that may cause pain to another is reason to stop an action from occurring. I can see why pro-abortion advocates want to keep living in Dark Ages of prenatal science, the truth is finally being seen as to the fact that abortion causes harm to a defenseless baby. There is no longer just one body, with one heart beat, again confusing dependence with identity. Just because the unborn baby cannot independently take care of herself does it mean she is not human or not have personhood. The same applies to poor Caylee. A severely disabled child could be killed under the pro-choice view since such a child cannot exist without using someone else's food, shelter, and body.

So she should've killed the baby in the womb rather than wait 2 years.

That's really touching, Sara. Quite the solution. A final one, you might say.

"Pro-choice a woman's choice about her own body." –NOPE! A developing fetus has it's own SEPARATE DNA from the mother so the baby is not part of her body.

It sounds like Morrigan would make the argument that the death penalty should be rigorously and automatically applied to any offense which violates the "autonomy" of an individual (without due process). The way in which the argument is made however, uniquely applies to women (since men don't carry a baby and are therefore unequal in the process). I suggest you throw your sexist "autonomy" argument away and look for another excuse to dispose of the unwanted "ultra vires". –kev

You Blue Collar Todd are an ass! And so are these backwards yahoos that agree with you! You have NO idea what feminism is or what those who believe in it actually want for our world! Casey Anthony is a feminist heroine as much as George W. Bush is a smart, eloquent person! IDIOTS

You call us idiots????? After 3 1/2 years you still can't post a comment or make an argument without bringing George Bush up? WTH does Bush have to do with your blustering diatribe? You apparently have NO idea, either, or you would certainly have enlightened us idiots.

I was making an analogy…you DO know what that is right??? I say idiots because it angers me that there are people who actually think that feminism is about infanticide and denying personal autonomy to a fetus. The entire idea about a fetus having status as a person under the law is just another ploy by predominantly MALE politicians, judges and lawmakers to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with HER body and HER life! Are you honestly telling me that a woman or a teenage girl who is pregnant as the result of a brutal rape is being selfish and horrible if she chooses to abort that fetus? And don't say she should give it up for adoption…do you have any idea how crowded orphanages are and how many children every year go un-adopted? And I am not for one minute defending Casey Anthony in any way shape or form…sadly, she probably kill her own daughter. But that DOES NOT make her a feminist! That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life.

You're giving a detailed response so I'll keep publishing it, but how about taking a real username?

Saying that abortion is a "MALE" issue is really just a sexist argument to try and quiet opposition to abortion. There are plenty of women who are pro-life. I'm glad you brought up the rape issue. If you recall Planned Parenthood is famous for covering up rape so that underage girls can get an abortion. Not very feminist. As to adoption, there is a slow and needed awakening to this issue. I personally know close to ten families who have adopted. So that should be changing. At least we are agreed that Casey probably killed her daughter.

I wasn't saying that abortion is a "Male issue" per se. Specifically I was saying that this move to make abortions completely illegal by giving a fetus personhood at the moment of conception seems to be an idea that is mostly supported by men. Anyway, I am curious as to what you are referring to when you say that Planned Parenthood has been "famous for covering up rape so that underage girls can get an abortion". I would think that to Pro-Choice minded people, the rape of an underage girl would be more of a reason for that girl to get an abortion…not something that would be covered up. So if you could enlighten me on that point I would appreciate it. I am not completely bashing adoptions either (my cousin was adopted, and I love him just the same)…but as you said yourself, there is a needed awakening to this issue. I don't know the direct statistics, but I will say that I have worked personally as a Mental Health Technician with children that were "in the system" so to speak and weren't adopted. It was so sad. Every single one of these children seemed to have this deep sense of being unwanted and unworthy. It was something that they had internalized and it was the basis for much of their destructive behavior. But I've rambled off of my main topic. I can't speak for all Pro-choice women (or feminists). I can only speak for myself. And I do personally think that some women who have gotten abortions have been irresponsible in their actions and used it as more of a "birth control" than anything else(I personally know of one such woman)…however I do still believe to the core of my being that a woman has the right to make that decision for herself and it is not the place of their doctor or some politician.

You are sooooooo wrong Sabine. There are more Pro-life women than there are feminists. If you look it up on the internet, do a search Planned parenthood cover up underage rape, there you will see that the liberal media have done their darndest to cover up the underage rape victims being taken to planned parenthood for abortions. Now, stop and think about this, Planned Parenthood is a company that makes money. Doing what? ABORTIONS. All of you pro choice women amaze me. Planned Parenthood isn't looking out for your health, they are looking at the bottom line! Money makes PP salivate and greedy. Compare the number of referrals for adoption they do compared to abortions. I am not one of those, life begins at conception people, but I am for LIFE! Being pro choice means being for abortion ALL 9 MONTHS OF THE PREGNANCY. Do you really think that anyone who thinks otherwise is going to be taken seriously. PP has so many lobbyists greasing palms to make it so that anyone will be able to get an abortion throughout the whole pregnancy. Unless abortion is made illegal and then limited to being done only in the first 9 weeks of a pregnancy by doctors whom do NOT WORK FOR PLANNED PARENTHOOD, then we will never be able to agree. There will always be butchers out there to take advantage of young, desperate, women in trouble. PP needs to be taken out and legitimate doctors need to take control of women's health care again. If any of you so-called feminists who don't believe in abortion on demand or throughout the whole pregnancy really want to help then you would help take out PP permanently!

With all due respect "Sensible" guest I too think you are wrong (but I am sure you figured that out already) First of all I didn't ask you or anyone on this site how many Pro-life women there are vs. feminists, SO anyway…And I don't know where you get off making up your own definition of what Pro-choice is or what it means personally to those who believe in it but…I NEVER said that I believe in abortion for all 9 months of a pregnancy! I did look up "planned parenthood cover up underage rape" by the way…and I am not thrilled that that occurred but you seem to have no idea about what planned parenthood actually does [outside of what you've come across in your "right wing" media (if you're going to throw around the asinine term liberal media) ]– ACTUALLY in 2010 only 3.0% of services performed by Planned Parenthood were Abortion Services! Their largest portion of services rendered at 38% were STD testing and treatment services. (But of course I am sure you are going to give me some right wing bullshit retort as to why those numbers are wrong…) Also I don't know when the last time was that you've ever called or stepped foot into a Planned Parenthood facility was, BUT abortions are not the only thing that patients pay for. There is a "sliding scale" of payments required for all services rendered. And obviously as you touched on in your rant about lobbyists and "palm-greasing" Planned Parenthood does receive funding. But as you SHOULD know they aren't allowed to use that money (the federally funded portion) for providing abortion services (it's a LAW you know). The bottom line is that more of it's services go towards things other than abortions ( and you can nitpick numbers all you want but its true). I don't know if you realize this, but millions of women every single year depend on Planned Parenthood for Cancer screenings, Pap Smears and other health services. And furthermore, they also do give women GASP birth control and OH GASP AGAIN Sex Education to young people in the hopes that they don't end up knocked up teenagers! But none of that matters according to you because it is more important to prevent one abortion then it is for a woman without health insurance to get a breast cancer screening that could potentially SAVE HER LIFE! And you have NO idea how IGNORANT you sound when you say that a person being Pro-Choice can be summed up as believing in abortion on demand during all 9 months of a pregnancy. That sounds as dumb as me saying that all people like you believe that a woman has no worth outside of popping out babies and being a housewife/mother and that any woman who gets knocked up by any circumstance (even rape) should be just overjoyed to have a fucken bun in the oven! And as for what being Pro-Choice means, the definition is in the term itself– I believe that a woman has the RIGHT to choose whether or not she wants to have a baby (and personally I believe that adoption is probably the better choice most of the time) But the whole point is the CHOICE the right of that woman to make that decision for herself without being told what to do by someone else who has No Idea what she may or may not be going through. This being said, I'm done with this dam blog…I am not going to change the minds of you Pro-life zealots so what is the point of all this arguing and banter anyway?? At the end of the day I couldn't give a crap about what you people think of me and I'm SURE you don't care what I think about you!

Using abortion as "birth control" is problematic and irresponsible. That is why I think some common sense restrictions are in order. Planned Parenthood is willing cover up the abuse of underage girls in order to get them abortions.
http://bluecollarphilosophy.com/2011/02/planned-p…

Looks like we're in agreement about adoption for the most part. Christians have failed miserably on this front, and hopefully that is changing.